Lion Rafale

Moves

Oi kiniseis tou Lion den alla3an toso polu apo to VF4evo. Proste8ikan polles xazomares alla stin pragmatikotita o xaraktiras paizetai me tis klassikes kiniseis tou.

Tespa omos, oriste oi pio simantikes pros8ikes einai:

  • p,k string
  • shuffle step cancel meta apo orismenes kiniseis px. f+k,pkg
  • b+pkg stance
  • f+pkg stance
  • pkg punch/elbow inashi
  • d+pkg low punch inashi

…kai genika stance oriented malakies.

To monadiko KALO pragma pou tou sunebi itan i pros8iki ton Offensive Moves sto paixnidi pou epitelous tou dinoun mia MID kinisi apo sidestep (os gnoston to DM tou einai high).

Frames

Oriste kai oi kiniseis tou kata upsos kai taxutita, opos ekana gia tin vanessa:

High Attacks
Name Input Type Speed Active on Block on Hit on Counter Dmg Tracks Misc
TouSui p HP 11 2 2 5 8 10
KouSenKyaku BT k HK 11 2 -1 down down 20 front
UkouShin b,f+p+k HP 12 2 -2 4 8 10
HaiRenSenSHou BT p HP,HP 12 1 -6 -3 2 12,12 Continue with p sequence.
SouKouShu f,f+p+k HP 14 2 0 2 6 14
SenShouHaiTen b,b+p HP 14 2 -4 0 6 14 back Recovers Back Turned
SenShinTai k HK 14 2 -8 down down 20 g-cancel
KouShuTai b,b+k HK 15 2 -4 down down 21 Recovers Back Turned
HonSui df+p+k HP 15 3 -2 12 16 16
ShaZenHo~HonSui df/uf+pkg,p HP 15 3 2 12 16 16 Ducks.
HaiShinSenShou BT! p+k HP 15 4 -9 0 5 14 Entered immediately after any Turn Away Attack
KaSenTaiHaiTen b,b+k+g HK 16 -1 0 down 24 circular Jumps. Recovers Back Turned
SenTai b+k H*K 16 3 -4 1 4 18 back pkg to Kanpo stance
KouHouHachiHanSui b,b+p+k HP 18 2 -8 19 24 14 f+pkg to TRSF stance
MaBanSha DM H*P 28 -2 slam slam 30 circular Sober (DP - 1)
TaiZanSouKouShu b+p+k HDP 33 4 2 cr.h cr.h 25 Charge Attack. Sober (DP - 2)
SenpuuKyaku k+g H*CR 36 -2 down down 30 circular Jumps. Sober (DP - 2)
Low Attacks
Name Input Type Speed Active on Block on Hit on Counter Dmg Tracks Misc
KatouSui d+p L*P 13 1 -5 4 7 8
SouKouShu D,df+p L*P 13 2 -6 -3 1 10
KaiKaKyaku BT d+k LK 14 2 -12 down down 20 back Recovers High
HaiHoSouShu BT d+p LP 15 3 -9 -3 down 24 back Recovers High
SenkyuuTai db+k LK,LK 16 2 -30 down down 7,20
ShaZenHo~ShaSouSui df/uf+pkg,p+k LP 16 4 -18 0 down 20 Side Hit: +2
TouGekiSui db+p LP 17 2 -12 -6 -5 12
ShaHoShaSouSui db+p+k LP 17 3 -15 -6 1 17 back Recovers High
Attai d+k LK 19 2 -15 -6 -1 12 front
TouHoSouShu d+p+k LP 20 2 -14 -3 2 15 front Recovers Back Turned
KouSouTai d+k+g SW 20 -21 down down 21 circular
ZenSouTenShinKyaku db+k+g LK 24 -10 4 down 20 circular Recovers High. Recovers Back Turned
ShicchiSouTai df+k+g SW 27 -22 down down 24 circular
ShinpoTouRouSouShu b,df+p LP 27 3 -15 cr.f cr.f 16
Mid Attacks
Name Input Type Speed Active on Block on Hit on Counter Dmg Tracks Misc
ShaShinKonRyuuChuu OM p MP 13 2 -3 5 8 16 Ducks.
HanChuu f+p EL 14 2 -5 0 4 16 Crouch Stagger
KoushuTaiShitsu f+k KN 14 2 -5 0 7 20 pkg to Kanpo stance
JuuChouSenShou u+p+k MP 15 2 -9 down down 20 front Jumps.
ShippoShouSenShu D,f+p MP 15 2 -8 1 down 18 Ducks.
SenInShou df+p MP 16 3 -3 -2 3 16
InYou b+p MP 16 3 -6 -3 4 16 Ducks.
TakuHiHoShinShou D,f+p+k MDP 16 3 -6 2 6 20
HaiShinSakuSui BT p+k EL 16 3 -4 4 6 14
ShaShinSokuSouTeki OM k SK 16 2 -13 6 9 21
DanTai df+k SK 17 2 -7 -1 7 24 front Recovery Counter Hit: +2. Crouch Stagger
FujinKyaku f,f+k MK 17 3 -8 -6 -4 10
ZaBanShuHou df,df+p+k MP 18 3 -6 -1 cr.s 20 Ducks.
SenpuuTai u+k SK 19 4 -4 down down 21 front Jumps.
TanHiKyaku b,f+k MK 19 3 -12 slam slam 18 Jumps.
SoujiSenpuu p+k MDP 20 3 -6 slam slam 20 Sober (DP - 1)
TenShinTouHoSouShu f+p+k MDP 22 2 -3 3 5 18 back Recovers Back Turned. B to recover Front Turned
TenShinRyouInKyaku f+k+g MCR 25 -12 down down 24 circular
RyuuSeiKouShuGeki QCB+p MP 26 3 -8 down cr.s 20 Sabaki (1-14) vs. HP, HK, MK, SK, KN. Sabaki hit: cr.s
SenShippo f,f+p MP 28 1 -6 cr.s cr.s 18 Sober (DP - 1)
SenpuuRakuKyaku b,f+k+g MK 31 4 -4 2 6 20 Jumps. Recovers Back Turned. Sober (DP - 1)
TouKuuGekiShou uf+p MP 31 5 -8 down down 25 Jumps.
SenTenKuuKyaku uf+k MDK 31 6 -44 down down 20 Ducks. Jumps. Roflcopters.
TaiZanSouKouShu b+P+K MDP 51 stgr cr.h cr.h 38 Max Charge. Sober (DP - 2)

Throws

Ta throws tou lion mallon pigan pros to xeirotero, idiaitera tora pou to df+p+g throw tou den tou eggueitai df+p,p :( Monaxa to u+p+k einai guaranteed.

Kata ta alla, o,ti 3erate apo to VF4evo, to mantis catch e3Akoulou8ei kai einai axristo, me monadiki pros8iki to catch throw apo f+pkg alla meta3u mas to stance einai toso unsafe pou den to sozei to oti bgazei throw apo ekei. Ase pou spaei me neutral input :(

Strings

Ti na leme tora gia ta strings tou lion, 3 hits to polu, den einai pai i lau i brad i shun to paidi, ase pou tis perissoteres fores einai kalutero na min oloklironontai ta strings tou px. u+k,k einai malakia efoson to u+k exei f+p,p float.

Floats

De 3ero polla apo ta floats tou alla auto pou exo na po einai pos auta pou teleonoun me f+p,p einai ta kalutera, mporei na min einai ta pio damaging alla einai auta pou kaluptoun tin mealuteri apostasi, eite gia ring out eite gia na pate ton antipalo sas ston toixo kai na tou skasete oki.

Pera apo auta, to monadiko sobaro float pou 3ero einai b,b+k,p+k,p,k,p alla meta3u mas protimo na kano f+p,p sto telos para p,k,p, i diafora se damage einai 4 pontoi kai den epireazetai apo toixous, k kaluptei megaluteri apostasi klp min ta 3analeme.

8a postaro kapoia stigmi kana link me ta floats tou lion, den ginetai ;-)

General Strategy

H monadiki sumbouli pou mporo na doso se opoion arxizei na paizei gia proti fora me Lion einai PROSOXI sta low sweeps, einai arketa arga oste opoiosdipote pepeiramenos paixtis na ta perimenei gia na sfaliarisei ton Lion apo ti misi zoi tou. Antista8eite ston peirasmo, nai 3ero oti exei polles skoupes einai OLES arges kai eipame, einai kako reflex, idiaitera ota o antipalos tis perimenei. Sugkentro8eite sto gnosto guessing game "mid i throw" kai den 8a xasete, ta mids tou Lion einai ola grigora kai apotelesmatika.

Here's a makeshift index of interesting VFDC threads to read.

A subjective list of Lion's top moves

I once posted a top ten of Lion's moves on VFDC. The only active player who bothered to interject was BorisOfWales. I'm posting mine here but i strongly urge you to look over the thread i linked to above for a second opinion.

  1. p jab : There's also b,f+p+k but there's just not enough space for everything in a top 10 list.
  2. f+p elbow : Same goes for f+k, it has a solid hitbox and gives nitaku on CH but i had to choose one.
  3. db+p low punch : Way more magic than vanilla low punch. Besides, lion's d+p is 13f.
  4. b,b+k floater : A 15f move with great range that beats throws and floats on normal hit for decent damage.
  5. D,f+p CH floater : Mid, safe, magic hitbox.
  6. db+k low : Fastest low attack with knockdown in the game. Useful for beating defensive techniques.
  7. u+p+k track stomach : Vs evades, also good range.
  8. b+k track back : Maybe the weakest move on this list but covers his back.
  9. b,f+k+g anti-low : Lion has a bunch of anti-low moves but i like this one: positive on block and gives a good float.
  10. evade p+k wtf move : Safe, circular, special high, 30 damage (!), float on CH.

Notice i'm missing df+k and p+k. BorisOfWales practically lives off stepping > midkick o_0 He also uses the qcb+p sabaki well, i think the move is very good good but i can't pull difficult motions like that consistently :-(

I use Lions sweeps more than i'd like to, specially if i guess wrong with his semicirculars a couple of times. I'd hardly recommend them though, i've lost more games by having them blocked than not.

Punishing your opponent's unsafe moves with Lion

Lion's punishing is somewhat complicated when it comes to lows. The main reasons for that are: i) his low punch is 1f slower than everybody elses ii) the presence of a D,f+p move means he can't use his normal f+p to punish -14f lows , iii) lack of a fast mid launcher means he has to rely on other moves to punish lows up to -19f.

Frames High Low
11 p,k (30+mixup)
ppp (32)
-
12 p,k (30+mixup)
ppp (32)
throw (0-60+oki)
-
13 p,k (30+mixup)
ppp (32)
throw (0-60+oki)
d+p (8)
14 k,k (37+oki) d+p (8)
f+k (20)
15 b,b+k float (52-58+oki) (1) b,b,f+p,p (36+oki)
u+p+k (20+oki)
16 b,b+k float (52-58+oki) b,b,f+p,p (36+oki)
b+p,p (34)
u+p+k (20+oki)
17 b,b+k float (52-58+oki) b,b,f+p,p (36+oki) (2)
b+p,p (34)
u+p+k (20+oki)
df+k (24+stagger)
18 b,b+k float (52-58+oki) b,b,f+p,p (36+oki) (2)
f,f+k,k (33+oki)
b+p,p (34)
u+p+k (20+oki)
df+k (24+stagger)
19 b,b+k float (52-58+oki) b,f+k float (42-50+oki)
u+k,k (46+oki)
20 b,b+k float (52-58+oki) p+k float (46-52+oki)

(1) df+p+k;p,k/ppp (46-48) if not confident about buffering b,b
(2) b,b,df+p,p float (39-41+oki) if it combos on recovery CH!

On the other hand his high punishment is quite awesome since he can land his momst damaging launcher from 15f!

How to have FUN playing Lion online

Os gnoston, sta player matches kuklofororei kosmos pou den exei e3ikoio8ei akoma me to paixnidi/me ena xaraktira. Pou kai pou loipon bariemai na me biazoun sta ranked matches kai to gurizo sta player me ton Lion gia na xalaroso kai na paro to aima mou piso. Mias kai den paizoume sobara etsi kai allios, kano POLLES malakies ;-)

Talk incessantly

To live exei microfono. Use it! Arxizontas to guro, an o antipalos den patiseis start, epanalabete ta intros tou Lion "i want a serious fight" kai tis alles malakies pou leei. Min 3exnate na to kanete kai sto telos "what a knuckle head!". Oso gia in game, prospa8iste na kanete tis krauges tou Lion. Kante 3 upokliseis sti seira kai ka8e fora kante "Heemph" "Heemph" "Heemph"! "YEAOH".

Guaranteed to annoy your opponent ;-)

Don't hit check - use lag to your advantage

Me to lag pou uparxei online, orismenes kiniseis pou itan throw punisheable ginontai safe. Opote opote exete kapoio *mid string* pou kanonika einai unsafe, no problem!

  • f+p,p
  • f,f+k,k
  • b,f+k
  • f+k+g
  • df+p,p
  • f+p+k,k

klp klp, min to dokimasete me kana high string, mporei na to skupsoune, not fun.

Shuffle Step P

Nees kiniseis kai den 8a tis xrisimopoihsoume? Meta ti gonetia PANTA shuffle step (f+k,pkg), gia to gamoto. Kai meta P followup, eite gia olokliro to string eite gia enxolitika backturned mixups

Sunistatai kai meta p,k pou kai pou, gia psarotikous logous, oxi toso meta apo apo b+k giati to b+k,p nomizo pos einai natural combo kai einai malakia na xasete guaranteed damage.

Don't just low punch

Low punch? Aderfi? Ase pou einai ntemonte. Yparxoun *akoma pio ekneuristikes luseis*:

  • db+k
  • db+p,p
  • d+k,k+g
  • Sweep

Kati pou na bgazei krauges telospanton, eite paizoume eite xoreuoume.

Don't guard low, that's for whimps

An nomizete oti o antipaos 8a kanei low punch, kante d+pkg. Looks cooler. An nomizete oti 8a kanei kapoio sweep, kante u+k. I mallon kante u+p+k, einai pio enoxlitiko ;-)

Mpa, malakies, spam f+p,p elbow, bgazei duo krauges ;-P

Don't guard high - b+pkg

Ti pragma, block? Aderfies eimaste? Ypoklisi mexri neoteras.

Den uparxei pio ekneuristiko pragma gia ton antipalo, trust me. Ase pou o lion exei polles epiloges apo auto to stance. Prosoxi, ta rising low kicks sas petuxainoun meta apo oki an den kanete ena back dash. Ma8ete na upologizete sosta tin apostasi. Kai min distazete na kanete polles upokliseis stin seira. "YEAOH" "YEAOH" "YEAOH" "YEAOH" ;-)

An paizete enantion kapoiou antipalou me punch strings pou sas prolabainoun (px. Pai, Lau, Aoi) kante kai kana ub/db+pkg, den bgazei kraugi nai men alla ok, min xasoume kai to paixnidi, 8a uparxoun kai alles eukairies na bgaloume krauges.

Don't dash - f+pkg

Giati na kanoume dash efoson mporoume na enoxlisoume ton antipalo mpainontas se stance? Me polu kalutera followups apo tou b+pkg? Ase pou exei kai psarotiko catch throw apo auto to stance, gia akoma megalutero humiliation. Aderfi o antipalos, booo.

Oki with f+k+g or df+k+g…

Kai oi duo autes kiniseis kanonika einai punisheable me throw, online omos logo lag auto den isxuei. Mias kai 8a kanoume etsi kai allios spam to f+p,p, an o antipalos sas kanei roll brisketai stin idaniki apostasi gia na ton paroun kai oi duo kiniseis. Min afisete loipon ton antipalo sas na siko8ei, kai propantos min 3exasete na ton apokalesete aderfi ;-)

…then randomly u+p oki

Otan o antipalos arxizei na min 8elei/de 3erei na kanei roll, gamiste to sto u+p oki. Einai kara unsafe alla kai polu enoxlitiko, ka8os o filtatos Lion bgazei tin gnosti "YEAOH" kraugi tou ka8os kanei tin kolotoumpa tou ;-)

Mia pio advanced texniki tapeinosis einai na kanete uf+k afou teleiosei o guros, gia to gamoto, just because you can.

Use k+g

To k+g,k,k einai apo tis xeiroteres kiniseis tou Lion. Kai apo tis pio enoxlitikes omos, ka8os fonazei san blamenos eno xoropidaei san stroumfaki pou exei parei XTC. Fusika to complete string einai kara unsafe alla eipame, lag = makes things safe. An arxizoun na kanoun block olo to string, polu apla stamatiste to sti mesi randomly kai rixte tous ena throw ;-)

K.O. with u+p+k

Enoxlitiki kraugi & super replay! WINNAR!!

Flip them

An kerdisete to guro, min 3exnate na kanete malakies, styl upoklisi, to xoro tis gonatias i, akoma kalutera, kolodaxtulo me pkg. An itan to paixnidi itan MK 8a ebgaze "Humiliation" :-P

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