Playing against Vanessa
  • Duck k+g

To k+g tis vanessa einai mia polu argi klotsia pou bgainei kai apo ta duo styles. Einai full circular, special high kai kanei stagger on block opote oute low punch, oute sidestep oute block endeikneitai. Gia arxi ma8ete na tin skubete, i vanessa einai anoixti an kanei whiff opote exete guaranteed throw, kai polu pi8anon kai free launcher. Otan to exete suni8isei kai nomizete oti mporeite na to deite noris kante p prin sas xtupisei - i vanessa ekeini ti stigmi brisketai ston aera kai 8a faei ena oraio float. Seriously, o monadikos pou to skubei consistantly einai o Xeno, c'mon guys, einai a8lia argi i kinisi.

  • Break f+p+g

To f throw opos kai to aplo tis throw bgainei kai auto apo tis duo styles. Kanoun kai ta duo to idio damage (40), h diafora omos einai pos to proto einai techrollable eno to deutero den einai kai o antipalos troei upoxreotika df+k oki. Episis ta wall throws tis kanoun 70ares kai bgainoun kai auta me f ;) Pera apo auto, ola ta Hit Throws tis apo to DS bgainon kai auta me f+p+g opote i dunami tis suni8eias enisxuetai. Telos sto VF4evo to f throw itan 0 frame disadvantage on break eno ola ta alla itan sto -6 opote upirxe sobaro enausma gia na spamaretai perissotero apo alla throws. Tora sto VF5 einai sta -2 opos ta perissotera throws tis vanessa (in fact ta b throws tis einai auta otan spane afinoun tin vanessa sta 0 fames alla sideturned, opote it still wins) alla old habits die hard kai polloi vanessa players e3akolou8oun na spammaroun auto to throw. Opote an einai na spasete ena throw, spaste to F throw.

  • Don't abuse low kick wake-ups

Otan bre8eite sto edafos xoris ukemi (suni8os meta apo throws), skefteite to duo fores prin siko8eite me low kick: i vanessa exei mia kinisi, to db+k+g i opoia pidaei pano apo lows gia ena float 1/3 tis mparas. H kinisi bgainei kai apo ta duo styles kai einai sxetika safe sta -6 an siko8eite me block. An o antipalos siko8ei me while rising kick, epeidi i vanessa einai sto aera oso kanei auti tin klotsia, i klotsia 8a tin peta3ei makria xoris na tou dosei eukairia gia kapoio float - to risk-reward ratio einai uper tis vanessa.

  • Beware of low throws

Peran tou db+k+g pou exei i vanessa enantion ton low attacks, ean kataferei na kanei block ena sweep pou afinei ton antipalo skumeno, mporei na timorisei ton antipalo me ena apo ta duo low throws tis. Polu xrisimo enantion Lion kai Kage sweep-happy players. Mias kai kanoun a3iologi zimia h sumbouli mou einai na prospa8eite na kanete ta sweeps mesa se strings opou uparxei ligoteri pi8anotita na antidrasei o vanessa player on reflex.

  • Don't worry about lows

Look ma, no lows! Apo to DS exei to d+k+g pou einai full circular, to db+k pou einai linear alla pio grigoro, kai to d+k pou einai combo floater alla mono se CH kai den skubei kiolas. Oso gia to OS, den mou paei kan i kardia na perigrapso ta lows tou… Apotelesma, pera apo low punch min perimenete na deite polla lows.

  • Don't retaliate after b+p

To b+p einai mia *polu argi* mid mpounia (exei kai pio argi bebaia, jesus), kata tin ektelesi tis opoias i vanessa kanei ena megalo bima mprosta, kaluptei arketo edafos kai kanei ena xaraktiristiko *hooomph*. Den kanei float i tipota tetoio alla dinei advantage on block opote sas to grafo edo gia na 3erete pos meta apo auti tin kinisi i vanessa exei to advantage se frames, gi auto stamatiste na prospa8isete na antepite8eite tufla an blokarete auti tin epi8esi. An 8elisete na tin apofugete apla na 3erete oti exei arketa megalo execution window (5 frames) kai mias kai einai toso argi merikes fores xtupaei ton antipalo afou ekeinos exei kanei sidestep. Anyway, i kinisi einai toso argi pou mporeite na kanete job tin vanessa out of it on reflex.

  • Know when Vanessa changes style

H vanessa exei 2 styles me polu diaforetikes idiotites - opote ma8ete na anagnorizete ton ixo pou kanei otan allazei styles me to pkg giati suni8izo na to kano stin psuxra gia psarotikous logous. To kako gia esas einai oti pia mporei na perasei apo to ena style sto allo me polu perissoterous tropous, meso orismenos strnigs pou teleionoun se pkg. Einai kapos api8ano na ma8ete na tous anagnorizete olous alla pros to paron den peirazei giati oute kai ego tous xrisimopoio para mono os combo enders giati bgazoun perissotero damage se merika floats. Apla na exete sto mualo sas oti meta apo floats i vanessa mporei na einai se diaforetiko style.

  • Duck OS lancers

To Offensive style exei polles kiniseis oi opoies teleionoun se takedown, gnosto kai os mount, me tin vanessa pano apo ton antipalo, mia stasi polu sexoualiki *ahem* sugnomi. Elega loipon, oi kiniseis autes xorizontai se treis katigories: lancers, fake lancers kai crimson lancers. H proti katigoria einai apla High Catch Throws, ek ton opoion to deutero spaei me belaki pros tin kateu8unsi pou ekane i vanessa evade kai p+g. H deuteri prokeitai gia cancel kapoion kiniseon sto High Catch Throws. Kai oi duo katigories antimetopizontai me skupsimo, throw, low attack, turn away atack, jumping attack, polla pianoun. H triti katigoria einai pio duskoli ka8os to high catch throw apotelei meros tou string kai petuxainei monaxa an to proigoumeno string kanei connect, pragma pou simainei pos i vanessa 8a einai se 8etika fames. Se auti tin periptosi endeikneitai to low punch giati (pera apo to gegonos oti o antipalos 8a exei polu ligotero xrono na antidrasei) patontas throw i aplo skupsimo 8a kerdisei to catch throw tis vanessa, logo 8etikon frames, eno to low punch se bazei amesos se animation skupsimatos. Isos pianoun kai ta jumping attacks alla den exo dei kanenan na to tolmaei. Telos nomizo oti to b,f+k CH f+p+k lancer tis einai unescapable, ti na po, min to fate se counterhit. Oriste kai oi kiniseis sunolika:

Lancers Fake Lancers Crimson lancers
f,f+p+k k,f+p+k b,f+p,p,b+p,f+p+k
evde p+k p,k,f+p+k d+k,p,b+p,f+p+k
f,f+k,p+k f+k,k,p,b+p,f+p+k
  • Escape OS takedowns

An sas parei to lancer kai bre8eite telika me tin vanessa apo pano sas kai arxizei na sas baraei mpounies, min psaronete, uparxei tropos na eleu8ero8eite: i vanessa exei 3 epiloges, mpounia, kato mpounia kai throw. Mporeite na eleu8ero8eite patontas amuna, kato amuna kai throw gia na spasete tin antistoixi epi8esi. Kai epeidi i sega eipe na afisei kai tipota ston goh kai tin aoi, se anti8esi me ta ground throws auton ton 2 paixton, enantion tis vanessa mporeitai na kanete multiple throw escape input, gia na apofugete kai ta tria ;)

  • Escape DS hand holds

Opos kai o jacky, h DS vanessa exei neutral punch inashi, to opoio ousiastika simainei pos ean i vanessa den kanei tipota ekeini ti stigmi kai o antipalos kanei psili i mesaia mpounia tote tou pianei to xeri se mia labi katastolis kai exei tin eukairia mesa se ena mikro xroniko diastima na tou antepite8ei. Sto VF4evo to xroniko peri8orio itan megalutero kai ta inputs pou eprepe na kanei vanessa itan paromoia me auta tou takedown, mono pou anti gia p,d+p kai p+g eixe k,d+k kai p+g. Sto VF5 ta pragmata alla3an, to xroniko peri8orio meio8ike simantika (se shmeio pou polles fores den prolabaino na to antilif8o) kai oi epiiloges tis vanessa eginan p,k kai p+g. Episis alla3e kai o tropos me ton opoio mporei na eleu8ero8ei o antipalos tis vanessa apo to hand hold: sto VF4evo eprepe na kanei unstagger (paromoio me auto tou multipart throw tou goh) eno tora exei multiple throw escape me p,k kai p+g gia na spasei tis antistoixes epi8eseis. Mou fainetai ligo periergo na uparxei throw escape me punch i kick, kai prosopika tis 2 fores pou exo pai3ei enantion kapoion vanessa players stin gallia den etuxes na mou kanoun hand hold (poutanies stin poutana?) gia na to testaro alla afou etsi leei to VFdc, etsi 8a einai.

  • Escape DS punch reversals

Peran apo ta hand holds i vanessa exei kai punch reversals. San na min eftane to redundancy, einai kai ta monadika reversals se olo to paixnidi ta opoia einai escapable. Kai na peis oti einai kati duskolo, apla patas p+g,p+g. Respect ston AkiraGR pou ta spaei sunexeia.

  • Dealing with DS backwalk

Oso apisteuto kai an akougetai apo to Defensive style i vanessa perpataei pros ta piso pio grigora apo oso kanei backdash. Oxi, den to bgazo apo to mualo mou, to exoun kai se ena thread tou VFdc os mia apo tis kaluteres tis kiniseis. Milame gia backwalk toso grigoro pou apofeugei punch strings apo pai kai lau. Den uparxei kati pou mporeite na kanete gi auto, apla na to exete upopsi sas gia na min psarosete an sumbei na apofugei i vanessa olo to string sas kanontas ton Michael Jackson. Epeidi paraponiontousan tosoi polloi gia tin taxutita tis sto VFdc egrapsa kai merikes sumboules sta agglika:

Vanessa backwalking is a pretty basic turtling technique. If they do her flying kick afterwards duck and throw them. If your reflexes are bad and you can't tell the difference from her other moves on reaction learn to recognise the sound she makes - she says "TAKE THAT" when she does that kick. that your cue to duck.

If you duck that a couple of times your average vanessa player will start using her mid crescent kick. That you must block. Be cautious afterwards, cause the move pushes back and they can backwalk to safety once again. Punishing tis move is very hard, i'd say either go for a catch throw or if you decide to punch back remember to keep the F button pressed down for your punches to have a bigger reach.

If you shut down those two moves most turtling players will resort to her midkick. If you see that, reverse or sabaki it, it's just a mid kick.

Finally, don't be afraid to use far reaching attacks like goh's f,f+k, jeffry's f,f+k, lion's f+k+g - vanessa's backwalk is good but if your move has good range it will connect if vane starts backwalking after you block deeep.

For more far reaching moves please consult the list of far reaching moves.

  • Closing up on her DS spacing game

Exontas e3asfalisei mia grigori upoxorisi me ti morfi tou backwalk, kai exontas sti dia8esi tis ergaleia opos to f,f+k (mid full circular) kai to df+k (mid crouch stagger) ta opoia sproxnoun arketa ton antipalo on hit kai on block, ka8os kai to proanefer8eis k+g, i DS vanessa mporei na prospa8isei na pai3ei ena paixnidi kratontas ton antipalo se apostasi. Sumfono oti einai mia taktiki gia deilous alla tin suni8izo otan kerdizo ton guro kai perimeno na teleiosei o xronos. Sunisto upomoni kai prosextiki epi8esi gia ligaki mexri na strimo3ete tin vanessa me ton toixo/tin akri tou ring stin plati. Apo tin stigmi pou den mporei na opis8oxorisei meta apo ena whiffed anaxaitistiko attack 8a mporesete na epibalete to ru8mo sas.

  • Duck DS G+uf/df+p

Oso periergo fainetai auto to input, toso perierga eiani kai ta properties autis tis kinisis. Prokeitai gia mia full circular high epi8esi i opoia exei build in sidestep. H kinsi einai argi bebaia kai exei mikro range alla kanei float on hit opote a3izei to risko. To gegonos oti i vanessa kanei sidestep apofeugontas linear epi8eseis alla paralila kanei mia kinisi, pragma pou simainei oti *den mporei na tin kanei o antipalos throw*, katastrefei mid/throw setups, idaitera to katarameno low punch -> while rising floater/while rising throw tis Pai. Ean breite oti sas enoxlei auti i kinisi, dokimaste na kanete kai tipota allo i esto prospa8iste na deite an i vanessa paei na kanei auti tin kinisi, opos eipame einai arketa argi.

  • Punish DS p,p,p,k & f+p,k,k

H idia i kinisi einai mia xazi mid mpounia, semi circular i opoioa to mono kaloeinai pos kanei float an o antipalos einai staggered alla, seriously, auto pou metraei einai pos ta f+p,k,k kai f+p,k,pkg einai 3-hit strings. To monadiko allo string me perissotera apo 2 hits pou exei apo auto to style einai to punch string tis, to opoio meta3u mas oute kai auto exei kati to ekpliktiko: p,p,pkg mid -6 on block; p,p,k low unsafe on CH (!) kai - omg 4-hit string - p,p,p,k throw countrable on block, high, kai apla down on hit, xoris float. Ase pou to punch string arxizei apo high. Opote dustuxos i vanessa einai upoxreomeni merikes fores na xrisimopoihsei auto to string enantion paixton pou exoun dei3ei oti mporoun na kanoun evade ta signle strikes tis giati parolo pou eiani kapos argo, toulaxiston arxizei me mid. Epofeli8eite loipon apo to gegonos oti to f+p,k,k einai throw counterable on block eno to f+p,k,pkg einai high gia na tin timorisete.

  • Tech roll after DS front sleeper

Prokeitai gia ta hit-throw pou bgazei i DS vanessa patontas f+p+g (f throw 4ever baby!) apo tis e3is kiniseis: f+k CH, df+k+g HIT, f+p,df+k+g CH. Sto VF4evo ebgaines kanontas struggle, sto VF5 omos dustuxos den mporeite na kanete tpt. Episis i kinisi apektise followup, patontas k. Parola auta anafero auti tin kinisi edo giati to k einai just frame kai duskolo na bgei consistantly (exei kai o jacky ena antistoixo kick se ena apo ta throws tou an 8umamai kala). Otan loipon den ginei to followup o antipalos peftei sta podia tis vanessa kai an den kanei ukemi troei df+k oki. Opote an pote deite i vanessa na sas kanei kefalokleidoma kante mash pkg se periptosi pou den bgalei to multipart na glitosete to light oki.

  • Don't try to punish OS hcf+p

To hcf+p einai i monadiki kinisi tis OS vanessa me ixnostoixeia amuntikon idiotiton. Tipota to e3airetiko, apla, logo tou input kai tou animation tis kinisis i vanessa apofeugei highs kai merikes fores mids kata tin ektelesi autis tis mid mpounias. Peran autou i mpounia mporei na ginei kai charge kai once charged mporei na ginei kai cancel se low punch. Oxi pos ta kano ego dld, eipame, an mporousa na bgalo hcf 8a epaiza cvs2 :P Prosoxi omos giati, frame-wise, i vanessa einai neutral on block opote min prospa8isete na antepite8eite me kana argo launcher,

  • Punish OS uf+k+g

To uf+k+g einai mia entuposiaki iptameni gonatia i opoia omos einai kara UNSAFE: i vanessa einai throw punishable kai ena kafe sto tria, milame gia -15 frames on block, mexri stigmis psaronete kai den exo dei kapoios na me kanei throw. Episis, parolo pou fainetai na pidaei i vanessa i kinisi den einai special high oute exei properties toso kala oso to db+k+g opote ena grigoro low attack tin kerdizei.

  • Punish OS b,df+p+k

To b,df+p+k einai ena 8iriodes hook to kata tin ektelesi tou opoiou i vanessa skubei, apfeugontas high attacks gia merika frames. Floater on hit alla argoutsiko sta 20 frames execution kai kurios throw counterable sta -12 on block. An mou bgei kata la8os epofelei8eite.

  • Punish OS df+k,k

Apo ta liga mid-mid tis vanessa, sta -14 i vanessa 8elei futema.

  • Duck DS b,f+k,p

To deutero hit einai special high kai +1 on block. Opote skufte to, afiste tin mpounia tin vanessa na perasei pano apo to kefali sas kai kante punish analogos.

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